True Crime - Halloween Theme

Sups 0:01

did they find out who's the real murderer?

Tanner 0:04

It was never solved.

Andi 0:06

you just described? A movie?

Sups 0:08

I think so. No Yeah. Right. It's so many plot twists

Andi 0:13

this one feels real to me. For one reason and one reason only. Of course, they were too stupid to steal the actually valuable things,

Sups 0:22

What happened to

Tanner 0:22

the night Oh, they think he died

Andi 0:24

Oh Oh Hello, and welcome to this episode of the I Should Have Known podcast, the trivia podcast that can't be trusted. Each week our Quizmaster presents you with four big facts on a topic, but one of those facts is a lie. We are continuing Halloween for our theme this month, and today your quizmaster is Tanner. and Tanner is doing a find the fake story time episode on True Crime. So he will read for us four stories of crimes, but one of those crimes he invented. So joined me, Andy, and our other host soups in trying to figure out which one of his stories is a lie.

Tanner 1:04

Yeah.

Andi 1:04

I'm nervous about this for many, many reasons. One of them though,

Tanner 1:09

is

Andi 1:09

I don't know if I'm gonna be able to live with you at the end of this you know, depending on the crime you invent. I don't know.

Tanner 1:15

living with a murderer.

Andi 1:16

I feel like I already live with a murderer. has a lot of murdery tendencies.

Sups 1:21

okay.

Andi 1:22

he writes super, super small and like fills the entire page.

Tanner 1:26

Mm-hmm it's

Andi 1:27

really terrifying cuz notebooks are literally look like the, scribblings of a psychopath.

Tanner 1:32

Yes

Andi 1:33

Yeah

Sups 1:33

Wow.

Tanner 1:34

I'm also from the Midwest, which is where a lot of serial killers are from. Oh yeah yes. yes

Andi 1:39

And I'm also nervous because I am not a fan of true

Sups 1:42

crime.

Andi 1:43

I find it very strange. I There

Tanner 1:44

are a lot of theories about like why people are obsessed with this, ma cob thing, you know, like. It's dead people.

Sups 1:50

Like it

Tanner 1:51

happened to somebody. Mm-hmm

Andi 1:52

The victims are real.

Sups 1:53

Mm-hmm. that's true,

Andi 1:54

creeps me out. I don't get it. Yeah. I like kids movies.

Tanner 1:58

Apparently people like true crime because it's like cathartic. Yeah. Or like it's safe place to experience thrills and fear, but I don't get why they have to be real.

Andi 2:06

Yeah. That's the part that I don't like. Like watch a horror movie. Read a Greek play. Yeah.

Tanner 2:11

we're gonna try to keep it not distasteful today

Sups 2:13

This should

Andi 2:14

this should be interesting So three of these crimes really happened.

Tanner 2:17

Yeah. And one of them is not a real crime.

Sups 2:20

Okay

Andi 2:22

okay

Tanner 2:23

so let's start with the low hanging fruit. Who ushered in the modern age of true crime literature in 1965 with his four part cereal in cold blood?

Andi 2:35

Oh,

Tanner 2:36

Truman Capote. Yes. Truman Capote wrote his nonfiction novel about the murder of four family members on a Kansas. So. He kind of jumpstarted this idea of true crime.

Andi 2:48

So it was a real crime. He kind of fictionalized it a

Tanner 2:50

little. Yeah. in the fifties these people were murdered and so he like interviewed people around the town and then he wrote like a novel about

Andi 2:59

it Mm-hmm

Tanner 2:59

but Is based on a

Sups 3:00

truth Mm-hmm

Andi 3:01

Interesting.

Tanner 3:02

Okay.

Andi 3:02

Let's do it.

Tanner 3:04

Crime number one. I call it LA homicide.

Andi 3:08

Oh, wow. Very creative.

Tanner 3:10

June 12th, 1994 Near Los Angeles, 6:30 PM to some time before 9:00 PM Nicole and her friend Ronald go out for dinner and then return home 9:00 PM to 9:45 PM Nicole's ex-husband orth. Says he was at McDonald's for dinner and then returned home 10:15 PM A neighbor hears Nicole's dog barking 10:40 PM or Al's limo driver tries to reach him to prepare for his flight, but cannot. 11:00 PM the limo driver sees a six foot tall shadowy figure walk across or Al's driveway he tries. Buzzing or al again. This time reaching him. Athal says he overslept and took a shower. 11:45 PM Athal departs on a flight from LA to Chicago 12:10 AM Nicole and Ronald are found stabbed to death at Nicole's house, detectives find bloody footprints and clothes presumably left by the murderer. 5:00 AM Detectives arrive at Al's house. They find bloody stains in ortho's, driveway and car. When a detective informs othal that his ex-wife is dead, he responds who killed her. Four days later, Othal is charged with two counts of murder. Instead of going in for questioning, he writes a suicide note and flee. He's ultimately brought in after returning home. His blood is found on the clothes left at the crime scene, and the boot print fits his shoe size. the police and detectives repeatedly mishandle evidence and the sole detective to find the bloody clothes has a history of racist behavior. October 3rd, 1995. It takes the jury a mere four hours to unanimously find or ental not guilty.

Andi 5:02

Wait what God.

Sups 5:04

did they find out who's the real murderer?

Tanner 5:06

It was never solved.

Andi 5:08

Because it was definitely that

Tanner 5:09

guy

Andi 5:10

I mean, it's always ex-husband. Come on.

Sups 5:13

Wow. That's cool. I mean, cool. In

Andi 5:16

this Yeah. What? Wait, what? So that's, It's what

Sups 5:19

It's cool story

Tanner 5:22

This is why people like these

Sups 5:23

I know. I know,

Andi 5:25

God this is an interesting one because, I feel like when you talk about the US and like the criminal justice system, there are major problems. Mm-hmm. and so this seems like a situation where the cops messed up because come on man. Like I definitely murdered those people.

Sups 5:41

Yeah. Yeah. With all the timings, cuz it'll be hard for someone to actually murder and then blunt all these evidence, right?

Andi 5:48

How'd they get that guy's shoes and his blood? at the crime

Sups 5:51

scene? Right

Andi 5:52

Like even if the cops were corrupt afaf, how did they get that guy's blood?

Sups 5:56

Yeah.

Andi 5:57

Also, I like his response.

Tanner 5:59

The first thing

Andi 6:00

says That's the guiltiest I've ever heard right there. Like, Oh, your wife dead who killed her and not like, How did she

Sups 6:06

Die. Die kind.

Andi 6:07

Yeah. That How did he know she was

Sups 6:09

kill Yeah, that's true.

Andi 6:11

That's some telltale heart right there.

Sups 6:13

Yeah

Andi 6:13

Okay. All right. But The question is, did Tanner make it

Sups 6:16

it up. I mean, this is a bloody good plotline like

Tanner 6:19

this.

Andi 6:20

it's very simple I feel like it's probably a real one. I don't think Tanner made it up it's just too simple. It's Very

Sups 6:28

It sounds like one of those, John Grham

Tanner 6:30

ion

Andi 6:31

Well I feel like that's gonna be the trick of this episode is Tanner. story he didn't truly invent, right? I think he probably took a fictional crime, and is just gonna retell it as a true crime. So I think his lies going to be a story that we would maybe be familiar with. I don't think Tanner invented

Sups 6:49

it. That's interesting. I've read a lot of crime novels. Indeed. Yeah.

Andi 6:52

I feel like an episode of Law and Order or something. Talking about how like, well, the police are corrupt and the criminal justice system isn't, just about finding the guilty parties. It's about protecting and serving justice and

Tanner 7:04

blah dun

Sups 7:07

Yeah, I agree. It's kind of too simple a crime

Andi 7:10

have to hear the other three

Tanner 7:11

Okay. Crime number two, Skyjack. November 24th, 1971, a man in a business suit with a white shirt and a black briefcase. Boards a plane in Portland, Oregon, bound for Seattle in the partly full 30 minute flight. He sits towards the back 12:50 PM the flight takes off and he orders a bourbon and so, After takeoff, he hands a flight attendant a note, but he's disregarded. He whispers to her, Miss, You'd better have a look at that note, I have a bomb. The note reads that he demands $200,000, a refueling truck in Seattle and four parachutes. He shows the attendant the apparatus inside his briefcase, and she goes to the captain to inform the pilot. The pilot alerts air traffic control in Seattle and tells the passengers there's a mechanical issue. The man orders another bourbon and soda. The FBI and police gather the ransom money and skydiving parachutes in Seattle 5 20 4:00 PM The man is informed. His demands have been met. He instructs the pilot to land. A manager from the airline delivers the ransom money and the passengers are allowed off the. The plane is refueled and the man informs the crew that they will be flying to Mexico City. 7:40 PM the flight takes off again. The man sends the attendant into the cockpit. 8:13 PM A warning light tells the pilot the tail stares have been deployed as a heavy rain falls outside. 10:15 PM The plane lands in Reno for refueling without the man in the business suit July, 2016, the FBI officially ends the investigation into the only unsolved case of air piracy in the history of commercial aviation. He was never seen again.

Andi 9:04

Wow I like that that wasn't a murder. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Nobody died.

Sups 9:11

What happened to

Tanner 9:11

the night Oh, they think he died

Andi 9:13

Oh Oh okay. again, is this a movie? I know Tanner didn't invent this. I, I feel very confident he did not invent this because there's no way he could have Yeah. This is too creative. But is it a movie?

Sups 9:26

Mm-hmm. I feel like if it was a movie then it would have been solved.

Andi 9:30

Oh no I feel like it's very like novelly to be like they never saw him

Sups 9:36

Yeah. I mean, novel makes sense. but I think the movie version would always, like, they would close it up

Andi 9:41

Nah, you know they would fade to black and like on the stormy sky and then just the words would pop up saying like, the man was never seen again. And Cuz if it's real Wow, that's pretty incredible.

Tanner 9:55

Yeah.

Sups 9:56

I mean, so far between the two, if I had to pick, I would pick this

Andi 9:59

one. Yeah Pick one, right? also, Nice track record, FBI on air piracy. Also, how many air piracy

Sups 10:05

cases

Andi 10:05

do they have? Are they like three for four? Are they like Oh for one? Like what are they

Sups 10:11

Yeah. Okay let's move on to story number three. Okay.

Tanner 10:13

Crime number three. old friends. Summer 1996, a British Lord Extorts a young man to murder the Lord's old friend. The young man's mother hears of this, and instead of going to the authorities coerces the young man's professor to commit the murder. June 30th, 1997, the Lord's old friend returns home with his prote. They find intruders and the old friend locks his protege away while he confronts them armed and ready. The young man attacks the old friend and disarms him. The young man takes aim but won't kill him. The young man's professor enters with an entourage. The professor aims at the old man, shoots him in the chest, sending him flying out the window. May 2nd, 1998, the Lord tracks down the professor and has him killed. As the professor is on his deathbed, the protege finally learns the truth. The Lord had previously poisoned his old friend who was slowly dying. So to end his suffering, he requested the professor mercifully kill. The protege takes up arms against the Lord, and in an intense battle, the Lord inadvertently shoots himself dead.

Andi 11:31

you just described? A movie?

Sups 11:33

I think so. No Yeah. Right. It's so many plot twists

Andi 11:36

and Yeah Nobody's got names.

Sups 11:38

Yeah. British Lords

Andi 11:39

Yeah. Yeah. Right. There's a British Lord involved, but

Sups 11:42

There is a war going on. Hmm.

Andi 11:46

I feel like this is a movie. Otherwise, like, where did all these details come from? How did anyone know what the guy said on his deathbed? Did he reported it to the police?

Sups 11:54

What about the mother?

Andi 11:55

Yeah,

Sups 11:58

Yeah. Like, Hey, why don't you kill him and let my son not do all of

Andi 12:03

now the question to me is like, what movie is this? I guess maybe if you found like a narrative source for like a really ridiculous British. very skeptical of this one. guess that would mean the plane jacking is real though.

Sups 12:16

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Now between the three ones, I would pick number

Andi 12:21

three. Yeah. Oh no. Ser Tanner always withs. His lies number three, and he thinks we don't notice it. No. I don't know. We'll see. We have one more to

Sups 12:32

say

Tanner 12:32

Crime number four. pickles the dog. March 20th, 1966, the World Cup Trophy was on display in a stamp exhibit in central London on the second day of the exhibit. While the security guards were on an afternoon break, it was stolen. The thief didn't bother with stamps worth over 3 million pounds and instead only took the 14 inch, eight and a half pound gold plated sterling silver trophy on a lapis lasly base. Scotland yard shows up and two leads are found. A tall person or a short person. One theory for this heist was that two people broke through the emergency exit swiped the trophy. And walked out a telephone call to the chairman of the football association leads him to a ransom note, 15,000 pounds for the trophs return. The chairman agrees in a meeting is arranged an undercover agent with a suitcase full of newspapers and a layer of five pound notes arrives at the dropoff point. The thief shows up and is promptly arrested. But he pleads that he was an innocent middle man and that the real thief is a man called the Pole. March 27th, 1966, a man named Dave was out for a walk with his dog pickles when pickles began sniffing around his neighbor's. Dave finds a package wrapped in newspaper in string. He tears off the paper and reads the words, Brazil, West Germany, Uua printed on a shield. He brings the package to the authorities who initially suspect him of the theft of the World Cup trophy. Ultimately, Dave and Pickles are cleared of any charges. Dave is awarded 5,000 pounds as a reward and pickles. The four year old Collie is awarded a silver medal by the National Canine Defense League. The trophy is given to Brazil in 1970 for their victory in the World Cup, and in 1983 it is stolen again, never to be recovered.

Sups 14:44

mean? The football World Cup? The trophy right now that we have is like a completely

Tanner 14:48

different one second version.

Andi 14:49

What? There's a second crime. Crime on

Sups 14:53

crime. Crime

Andi 14:54

this one feels real to me. For one reason and one reason only. Of course, they were too stupid to steal the actually valuable things, You know, it's some dumb guys, some jocks, and we're like, Hmm, let's steal the trophy. It'll be great. Like 3 million stamps, which you can just slide in your pocket you know, pickle's not finding no stamp in your pocket, in fiction. They would be smarter.

Sups 15:15

smarter. the whole plot, like even though the last story was also British. This feels more real.

Andi 15:22

It sounded like a report.

Sups 15:24

Yeah. Right.

Andi 15:24

who's the poll?

Tanner 15:26

It was never confirmed

Andi 15:27

The poll it does sound like a movie though. Yeah. You know, like, we're gonna steal. Cup Trophy. And apparently people were into that cuz it happened more than once.

Sups 15:37

It could very well be a Guy Richy film yeah, yeah.

Andi 15:41

It sounds like a guy Richie film cuz now I know who Guy

Tanner 15:45

is

Sups 15:45

is. this comic crime,

Andi 15:49

Yeah And it being kind of a bit like stupid. Mm-hmm. like literally like the stamps.

Sups 15:55

but who knows? Yeah. But those are some really good stories.

Andi 15:58

Yeah. I like that they weren't all murders So we are going to have to figure out which one we think you invented or used from elsewhere. So can you just repeat the titles of the stories for us and then we'll take a guess?

Tanner 16:10

Sure. Crime number one, LA homicide crime number two, skyjack crime Number three, old friends, crime number four, Pickles the dog. One of those is not a true crime.

Sups 16:37

Okay. I think we can discard number one. I think one's,

Andi 16:40

I know that sounds unfortunately very real.

Sups 16:43

Yeah,

Andi 16:44

I feel like there are a million stories like that so like that guy definitely killed his ex-wife.

Tanner 16:48

So

Sups 16:48

2, 3, 4.

Andi 16:49

3 That's a movie or something? A book or something.

Sups 16:53

I know,

Andi 16:54

right? Old friends, even like the police didn't give him names. it Pickles, The dog had a

Tanner 16:59

I cannot reveal their names.

Andi 17:00

Well, yeah, because then it would tell us where movie it's from. Obviously, I mean also yeah, if number three is. The lie that that means. Number two is real, which is pretty unbelievable.

Sups 17:11

for a second, let's Spark number four is true cuz I have a feeling. It's possible.

Andi 17:16

Yeah. between those three. then four I would think is the most

Sups 17:20

real. Okay. Yeah. I also think there's something off about number three, but Two sounds.

Andi 17:26

Two is wild.

Sups 17:27

yeah

Andi 17:28

So I'm going with number three

Sups 17:30

okay. I also think there are really good chances of number three, but number four, maybe. Hmm. This also sounds like alo of a movie, so

Tanner 17:40

Your answers are locked in three and four. number one, if I told you his full name is Athal James. And he fled in a white Ford Bronco

Sups 17:51

Yeah Okay.

Andi 17:52

I was about to say like, Oh, the first one kind of sounds like oj. And then I was like, Oh, it is OJ I was like, Okay.

Tanner 17:59

or James Simpson. Yes. But eventually he was found guilty in a civil case So they did get some justice, Number two is also true. That is one of the most notorious crimes in American history. Still unsolved. Dan Cooper or DB

Andi 18:14

Yeah,

Tanner 18:14

and number four is true. Yeah. Pickles the Dog is a real story about the real theft of the World Cup trophy. it sounds like it's stranger than fiction, but it is.

Sups 18:25

Yeah. Real Three.

Tanner 18:27

Number three. It is number

Andi 18:28

three. Okay but what the

Tanner 18:29

source material? It's a book and a movie.

Sups 18:31

It's a book and a

Andi 18:32

book And you

Tanner 18:33

think I would know it. You both definitely know it.

Sups 18:35

No

Tanner 18:36

Just give it to me Harry Potter

Andi 18:38

Oh Oh

Tanner 18:39

the half blood

Sups 18:40

Print

Andi 18:40

Of course.

Tanner 18:42

Oh So Lord Voldemort is technically British Oh,

Andi 18:46

wow that's that's the most interesting thing that you came, I knew it was gonna be like a, totally

Tanner 18:51

different genre. Yeah. Snape kills Dumble

Sups 18:53

Yep sure

Andi 18:54

Oh my God.

Tanner 18:55

Joking nuts So all the characters, the British Lord is Voldemort. Yeah. Yeah. His old friend is Alba Dumbledore, who actually saved him from an orphanage when he was a kid. The young man who vows to kill Dumbledore is Draco. Malfoy, Yeah. His mother asks Snape to make a vow to actually kill Umdo so her son doesn't have to do it. and then she's never charged with any crimes or

Andi 19:20

yeah gets off Scott for, I completely forgot about the like plot of

Tanner 19:23

that one. And then the protege is of course Harry Potter, who watches Dumbledor get killed by Snape. And then only when Baltimore kills Snape does Harry find out that Dumbledor actually ask Snape to kill him because he was dying.

Andi 19:37

Yeah. Man. And it does take away in the nineties that's like a thing yeah.

Sups 19:41

I would just not associate like Lord and V I mean like, Well, he's

Andi 19:45

called He's a British Lord

Sups 19:47

story Yeah. Okay. Makes sense. Wow.

Andi 19:50

Wow. I should have known.

Sups 19:52

I should have known.

Andi 19:53

Thanks for listening to this episode of the I Should Have Known podcast. We'll be continuing our Halloween theme for the rest of the month. officially have done true crime on the I Should Know podcast. If you're a true crime junkie, I hope you liked it.

Tanner 20:06

And

Andi 20:06

always, thanks for listening. pickles.