Grammys: Record of the Year - Music Month

Sups 0:01

it's not just like a pop song. There's a lot of nuances in the song where she's actually Showing her vocal prowess, right? So, even though I'm trying to put myself as like one of these

Andi 0:13

members, you

Sups 0:13

and I'm about to vote.

Tanner 0:16

Is this a popular song? Have

Andi 0:18

is 18 on the Billboard High 100 songs.

Tanner 0:22

of this song,

Andi 0:24

it's like they're Supes who likes music and like actually cares about the Grammys. And then there's Tanner, like, What am I doing Hello and welcome to I should have known the trivia game show that can't be trusted each week One of our quiz masters will present you with four facts about a topic, but one of them is a lie And welcome to our continuing musical theme for the month, I'm your quiz master today I'm Andy and I'm going to be presenting you with four songs that all won The record of the year award at the Grammys, except one was snubbed, did not win the award. So join our other hosts, Supes and Tanner, in trying to figure out which one is a lie.

Tanner 1:03

a

Andi 1:04

So our pub quiz question for the week is, In what year did the Grammy Awards begin, and what was their original name?

Sups 1:13

Oh wow. I wanna say 1934.

Tanner 1:16

I'm gonna say like 1946

Andi 1:19

any guesses on the original name?

Sups 1:22

Gram

Andi 1:23

Gramophone

Tanner 1:23

Awards?

Andi 1:24

They were called the Gramophone Awards. So Grammy is short for gramophone. Yeah. It started in 1959.

Sups 1:31

Oh, wow.

Andi 1:33

Yeah, so Grammys is the official name now. It's the yearly awards for the Recording Academy of the United States. just like the Academy Awards for Film, it's a group of people who are in the business and they vote on stuff.

Tanner 1:47

Okay. So. it's not based on like the best selling or anything like that. It is just like the Oscars where you have an Academy voting.

Andi 1:55

So, yeah, the Grammys. There are a lot of awards. I think the next Grammys will have 94 categories. but there are four awards that are considered the most prestigious because they are called, oh General Field, Awards. These are for, all the genres.

Tanner 2:10

So anyone can

Andi 2:10

So anyone can win this. There is Best New Artist, Album of the Year, Song of the Year, and Record of the Year, which is what today's episode is

Tanner 2:20

about. And that's not the same as the other two.

Sups 2:22

Yes,

Andi 2:23

and Song of the Year and Record of the

Sups 2:24

the Year. Two different things.

Andi 2:26

Two different things, kind of confusing. Often the same song wins both. song of the year is for song writing. So this award goes to the writers of the song, not the performers.

Sups 2:37

Okay.

Andi 2:37

The record of the year goes for an individual song. And it goes to the performer and the production team. So All four of these songs are hugely popular. They are all on Billboard's Hot 100 of all time.

Sups 2:52

Okay.

Tanner 2:53

I'm very prepared for this.

Andi 2:54

think you know these songs, though. So we'll go in chronological order. record of the year number one, from 1969. Hey Jude, by the Beatles. So,

Tanner 3:05

you play it for us? I

Andi 3:06

jam!

Tanner 3:06

one goes. Mm-hmm.

Andi 3:14

we're all familiar with this song.

Sups 3:16

I I think, I might know a word

Tanner 3:18

yeah.

Andi 3:18

yeah. so this is from the 11th annual Grammys. Hey Jude. it's 13th on the Hot 100. It won record of the year, song of the year, and best pop performance by a group.

Tanner 3:30

Wow. It really cleaned up, you say.

Andi 3:33

guess kind of, yeah, I guess you could say that. And then the album magical mystery tour was nominated for album of the year, but did not win.

Tanner 3:41

of the year. Okay.

Sups 3:41

Year,

Andi 3:41

the song did though.

Tanner 3:42

Yeah, I can imagine when this came out, it must have just like... In an instant hit, cause people still love it all over the world. Like still today, it's

Sups 3:51

a favorite. I'm sorry, I'm a little bit cautious about this. Is

Tanner 3:54

Yeah. Yeah. Is it cause you don't think it's a great song?

Sups 3:59

you don't think it's a great song? No, I think it's a fantastic song. And as you know, it's one of my favorite songs. I think it won a lot of other awards, but I think that's the thing about it. Never won the best.

Tanner 4:10

Mm-hmm. record.

Andi 4:11

of the

Tanner 4:12

Mm-hmm.

Sups 4:12

I think it didn't

Tanner 4:13

win.

Sups 4:13

Okay. But I'm trying to think.

Tanner 4:15

have an idea of what did

Sups 4:16

Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. 1969. Yeah. It's just, jogging through my Grammy knowledge. And

Tanner 4:20

could any other Beatles song win then? Yeah. Like it's, any, anything from that album is up for

Sups 4:25

grabs too.

Andi 4:26

Yes. Yeah. I mean, technically songs can compete against each other from the same artist. Yeah,

Sups 4:31

yeah. yeah. yeah. you know, there's always this thing, right? I mean, with Academy Awards, right? Whenever some movie doesn't win and then you're like, Oh yeah, that movie should

Tanner 4:39

have won

Andi 4:40

Mm-hmm. or

Sups 4:40

nobody knows what they're voting, right? The process is like, it's all like secret ballot. Right.

Tanner 4:45

Hmm.

Sups 4:46

What do you think about this?

Tanner 4:48

I'm believe it. Okay. I think, it's a great song. I think it would've been recognized as such in those years. Mm-hmm. I think that even a snobby, like academy person would think that it's a good song. Like it's not just, you know, a pop hit, But that's just my gut. I, I honestly don't know how the Grammys go. Yeah.

Sups 5:06

I don't feel very confident because I think that was the whole thing about this song that it. Didn't win.

Andi 5:12

Well maybe hearing the other three songs will help you decide.

Sups 5:15

yes,

Andi 5:16

Alright. So. Record of the year number two, from 1982, Betty Davis Eyes by Kim Cairns.

Tanner 5:31

Is this a popular song? Have

Andi 5:32

is 18 on the Billboard High 100 songs.

Tanner 5:36

of this song,

Andi 5:37

I knew Tanner would not know this

Sups 5:39

know this song. Now see, this one to me is more like a Grammy winning. What? Yes.

Tanner 5:50

I think this song sounds like trash

Andi 5:52

It was 18 on the Billboard Hot 100. So like, only 5 beneath Hey Jude here. So this is an extremely popular song, Tanner.

Sups 6:00

Yeah.

Andi 6:00

I, don't know

Sups 6:01

I've been? Yeah. Or what happened

Andi 6:02

in the 80s. It won record and song of the year in 1982.

Sups 6:21

The album,

Andi 6:22

Mistaken Identity Lost, to Double Fantasy by John Lennon and Yoko Ono. So, John Lennon makes a little appearance twice, technically.

Tanner 6:31

Two parents.

Andi 6:33

Kim Cairns. Okay. Um,

Tanner 6:34

is true. I think this is true.

Sups 6:41

this is the one. I

Andi 6:42

fake. I think this is true.

Sups 6:43

she's only known for like a few songs, right? I mean,

Andi 6:46

this was huge. This was by far her most famous Yeah. The two songwriters, Donna Weiss and Jackie De Shannon, they had released the song themselves in the seventies. Okay. But didn't really.

Sups 6:56

really go anywhere.

Tanner 6:57

Yeah.

Andi 6:57

And then Kim Cairns performed it and it's very famous for her voice. She has like a raspy, very unique voice. The

Sups 7:04

The way she says

Tanner 7:05

precocious is good.

Andi 7:05

is my favorite part. Why do you

Sups 7:07

this

Tanner 7:08

fake?

Andi 7:08

Mm.

Sups 7:09

I've never heard of this.

Tanner 7:10

cannot believe that anyone would allow

Sups 7:12

it to win

Tanner 7:13

Grammy. It's not

Sups 7:14

a good song.

Andi 7:15

Yeah, but you know, you, you only heard like literally

Tanner 7:18

all I need to hear. That's

Andi 7:19

it. Oh no. Come on.

Sups 7:21

No, you know, the reason why I think this is true is because during the 80s period, like this is the kind

Tanner 7:27

of music that

Sups 7:28

wins.

Andi 7:29

I will say that, like, if you go through, like, the 60s and 70s, you're like, yeah, I know all of these songs. They're all, like, the big ones. But then, yeah, when you get to the 80s, I was having a problem because I was trying to... Pick songs from kind of different time periods and it was like, yeah, the ones in the 80s The grammy winners aren't on the top 100 That was such a problem the 80s is definitely, I would say that's the Oscar period of the Grammys.

Tanner 7:52

Where they were totally off from the

Andi 7:54

the way off from the, Yeah, But this song was hugely

Sups 7:57

it was a commercial success. I mean, there's no doubt about that. Like, it's

Andi 8:01

a

Tanner 8:01

few people know song. Okay, I'll take your word for it. I guess we have to listen to two more. I even though I already made up my

Andi 8:06

mind Wow. Yeah, I like how you guys both have decided it's one of the first two. Do you not want to hear the other two? Oh, we're done I mean, the other two are some jams, so... Bring it on, bring it on. let's just jam to them. Okay, fine. You guys, You have to keep playing the game.

Tanner 8:20

Fine

Sups 8:21

Alright.

Andi 8:22

Alright. Record of the year number three. 1994, I Will Always Love You by Whitney Houston. This was from

Tanner 8:46

the

Andi 8:46

36th annual Grammy awards and it's song

Tanner 8:49

60 Okay.

Andi 8:51

on the hot

Sups 8:51

100.

Andi 8:52

It

Sups 8:52

won

Andi 8:53

record of the year, best pop performance by

Sups 8:56

a female. Mm-hmm.

Andi 8:57

It was also nominated for the R& B Female Vocal, but did not win. And the album of the year won the Bodyguard soundtrack as the song was featured in that movie. So that one album, a

Tanner 9:10

the

Andi 9:10

won album of the year because of this song, let's be real. This was, this was carrying

Tanner 9:16

the, Yes. Like in the movie, I guess.

Andi 9:18

the movie. Is this

Sups 9:19

a remake?

Andi 9:20

Yes, Tanner, do you know who originally

Tanner 9:23

wrote the

Sups 9:24

Yes,

Tanner 9:25

yes.

Andi 9:26

yeah, Dolly Parton originally wrote this song.

Sups 9:29

Yeah, that's a jam. Yeah. Do you believe this one.

Tanner 9:32

Do you believe

Andi 9:32

this

Tanner 9:32

one? I totally believe this

Sups 9:34

makes you

Andi 9:34

makes you say that? I

Sups 9:35

I don't know

Tanner 9:35

I don't care. Because it's I think it's objectively a better song. I don't know why it's number

Sups 9:40

but it

Tanner 9:40

but it

Andi 9:42

It's, it's

Sups 9:42

So now you can see that, like, the ranking in Billboard has, like,

Tanner 9:45

like, no connection. It's totally disconnected,

Sups 9:48

Yes.

Andi 9:48

I have a feeling.

Sups 9:50

Oh, that's because you I think this was the biggest song. What else was it? War was bigger

Tanner 9:55

1994 I will always remember Um, actually I think it was Backstreet Boys Backstreet Boys,

Andi 9:58

yet?

Tanner 9:59

I mean, you, you're making a good point. Like the early nineties. Mid nineties. Yeah. What other huge hit would it be competing against? Yeah.

Sups 10:06

was, uh, no,

Tanner 10:06

I believe it. I

Sups 10:08

think that it's

Tanner 10:09

still a great song. I think she performs the heck out of it,

Sups 10:12

it's

Tanner 10:13

believable that the Grammys would award her this,

Sups 10:16

you know, they wouldn't pick a different one. Right. But also that technically it's not just like a pop song. There's a lot of nuances in the song where she's actually Showing her vocal prowess, right? So, even though I'm trying to put myself as like one of these

Andi 10:32

members, you

Sups 10:32

and I'm about to vote. Yeah.

Tanner 10:35

it would be very surprising to me if this

Sups 10:37

was this note.

Tanner 10:38

Right. I don't know. I don't know music history at all. If that's not obvious.

Andi 10:42

Alright. So we've got one more. Record of the year number four from 2012.

Sups 10:47

2012.

Andi 10:48

Rolling in the Deep

Sups 10:49

Okay,

Tanner 10:50

2012. I definitely know this one.

Sups 10:52

No. Oh, I thought you, you were singing it.

Andi 10:54

It's not karaoke night. I do sing this a lot of karaoke. so this is from the 54th annual Grammys. It is number 39 on the

Tanner 11:09

Wow. I have a question

Andi 11:14

Yes. how do Grammys work.

Tanner 11:16

Is any song that's released that year up for

Sups 11:19

record of a year? It's

Andi 11:20

the previous year.

Sups 11:21

Okay. yeah.

Tanner 11:22

the previous year. So like any of her songs on that

Sups 11:25

album

Andi 11:25

could have won. Yeah, that happens sometimes. Yeah. Okay.

Tanner 11:28

sometimes an artist can be competing against themselves because They have

Sups 11:32

two

Andi 11:33

nominees Mm-hmm. the same category. In the same category. Or even you can have the same song by

Tanner 11:38

Oh, yeah.

Sups 11:39

Oh.

Andi 11:40

both be nominated. That happened This was

Tanner 11:57

her and Adele's award

Andi 11:58

show. Oh, yeah, she actually won three of the four general field. So Rolling in the Deep won record and song of the year and her album 21 won album of the year. It also won best short form

Sups 12:11

music video. Yeah.

Tanner 12:13

no way.

Andi 12:13

Yeah, that's it. That's a Grammy now.

Tanner 12:15

Huh.

Andi 12:15

And best pop solo performance. So she's actually became the second person ever to win all four of the

Tanner 12:23

general field. Yes, she won three that night. And she had won

Andi 12:25

some point in her career. Yes, she won three that night.

Sups 12:27

And she already

Andi 12:28

And then she had won

Sups 12:29

Best New Artist. So this was actually Adele's second album after 19 and I think this is the time when she became super popular in us or like even globally. Right. I'm inclined to believe everything Andy just said. I She was like sweeping everything, and

Tanner 12:46

I mean the timeline lines up then with this album. I know it was a

Andi 12:49

really big deal when

Sups 12:50

came out Yeah.

Tanner 12:50

You don't

Andi 12:51

think they

Tanner 12:51

snubbed her?

Sups 12:52

No,

Tanner 12:53

Maybe she's playing on this.

Sups 12:54

She knows

Tanner 12:54

you like Adele. And she's like,

Sups 12:56

she's playing it. Yeah. And she's talking with me with Adele and Hey Jude. So that's like, Oh, wow.

Tanner 13:02

I'm surprised she didn't do like

Andi 13:03

Katy Perry Well, I mean, if I, if I could have done all of your See, Supes has you know, a much more refined karaoke repertoire where you do

Sups 13:11

Perry

Tanner 13:11

Yeah, they're not Grammy winners.

Sups 13:13

think, Oh, wow. Now. Yeah, no, no, I dunno. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, Oh, this is so easy. I know it. Yeah. I know the answers, but

Tanner 13:22

so confident.

Sups 13:23

yeah.

Tanner 13:24

Looks like

Andi 13:25

I don't.

Sups 13:25

I have to like backtrack now. Everything

Tanner 13:27

that I just said for the

Andi 13:28

last

Tanner 13:29

I

Sups 13:29

half an hour.

Tanner 13:30

do

Andi 13:30

I do really like having you two as the guessers because it's like they're Supes who likes music and like actually cares about the Grammys. And then there's Tanner, like, What am I doing

Sups 13:42

18.

Tanner 13:44

I don't uh,

Sups 13:45

Rolling in the Deep, you said it's 30?

Tanner 13:47

Uh, 39.

Sups 13:47

39. 39. 39.

Tanner 13:49

Wow.

Sups 13:50

again,

Andi 13:50

if not

Tanner 13:51

Adele. Mm-hmm. who, if Katy Perry won that year then I would just poop myself, I cannot believe that

Sups 13:56

I

Andi 13:57

don't think Katy Perry won that year.

Tanner 13:59

I think it

Andi 13:59

must be her. Yeah,

Tanner 14:01

So, I guess, before we pick which one is the snub, could you please repeat the four Grammy winners,

Andi 14:17

number one... Hey, Jude, by the Beatles.

Sups 14:20

Number

Andi 14:20

two Betty Davis. Eyes by

Sups 14:22

Kim Cairns,

Andi 14:23

number three. I will always love you by

Sups 14:26

by Whitney Houston.

Andi 14:27

And number four, rolling in the Deep by Adele.

Tanner 14:31

One of those did not win.

Sups 14:32

Yeah.

Tanner 14:33

I think Andy

Sups 14:34

puts a lot of strategic thought

Tanner 14:37

into her lies.

Sups 14:38

the lies. that she's playing with this stuff. Playing. 100%. 100%.

Andi 14:40

percent

Tanner 14:41

no doubt about it. So it's gotta be that the lie is someone who you forgot about, you know? So it's gonna be

Sups 14:49

like, it's not Adele,

Tanner 14:51

like, it's Katy Perry, how could

Sups 14:52

you miss that? This is supposed to be nervous, you know? yeah. yeah. As it was like fireworks came out that year, like I know, so let's do it this way. Let's take number two out because I think number two definitely

Andi 15:02

did

Tanner 15:03

Okay, think so? Okay. I'm on base with you. I disagree, but I'm gonna follow your

Andi 15:09

logic. Okay

Sups 15:10

So now we are with Hey Jude,

Andi 15:11

I

Sups 15:11

always love you

Andi 15:13

and closing it with Jude. Yeah.

Tanner 15:14

You were very suspicious of hey Jude

Andi 15:16

I was, But then...

Sups 15:18

I think this,

Andi 15:19

got tricky.

Tanner 15:20

Yeah, and I think this Idea of like the recent one I can

Sups 15:24

can pinpoint more

Tanner 15:25

possible winners. Yeah. You know, so maybe that's an issue where I can't name a single other artist who would've beat the Beatles, but I can do that with Adele But like maybe that's an issue here. Maybe it is The Beatles.

Sups 15:38

is the Beatles.

Andi 15:39

Yeah.

Sups 15:40

is off about Hey Jude I think it's between one and four. and maybe that's where the trick is, and

Tanner 15:45

which one do you

Sups 15:46

think?

Tanner 15:46

Mm-hmm.

Sups 15:46

I

Tanner 15:47

think you made a pretty good case for the last one. Yeah. That it could be a different band. It could be a different one of her songs.

Andi 15:52

Yeah.

Tanner 15:53

You know what? I'm going to say the second one because I cannot for a second believe that that song won. I am just, mm, no. I think

Sups 16:00

I'm just, no. I don't know, I was so confident with Hey Jude.

Tanner 16:02

I think

Andi 16:03

it's

Tanner 16:03

it's not

Sups 16:03

Jude that got the snub.

Andi 16:05

Yeah.

Tanner 16:06

gonna believe Adele really did

Sups 16:08

I think, I think Adele did

Andi 16:10

could have 80s, so you guys are going with the first two. Hey Jude and Betty Davis Eyes. This is very funny because when I was researching this, I

Sups 16:18

told Tanner

Tanner 16:19

told Tanner I knew exactly which one he would pick. And he's

Andi 16:21

like, no you don't. And you picked exactly what I thought you would pick. I knew it. I was like,

Tanner 16:25

you don't. He picked exactly the

Andi 16:26

He's gonna pick number two. It did when let me play you the song that beat

Tanner 16:30

he's gonna pick it. It Let me play you the song Simon Garfunkel?

Andi 16:47

Yeah Yes Mrs. Robinson by Simon and Garfunkel won record of the year in 1969. knew it from the start. Paid to, probably one of the most famous Grammy snubs ever. Yeah, Hey Jude not win, it lost to Mrs.

Tanner 17:07

Wasn't it also the

Andi 17:08

highest in the billboard of the four? Of the four, yes, but it is not the

Tanner 17:11

highest on the billboard

Andi 17:12

to be snubbed. Oh, really? Fun bonus fact, the long time number one, now number two

Sups 17:18

The Twist

Andi 17:18

by Chubby Checker never won a Grammy. And that was the highest on the billboard

Tanner 17:24

highest on the Billboard without winning.

Andi 17:27

now it was number one until it was usurped

Sups 17:30

by

Andi 17:30

blinding lights by the weekend.

Tanner 17:32

it was

Sups 17:33

yeah.

Tanner 17:33

Oh, Simon

Sups 17:35

and Garfunkel.

Tanner 17:36

and Garfunkel. That's the

Sups 17:37

I mean, like, I was with Heiju from the start,

Tanner 17:39

but like, rolling in the deep, like, just threw me off a little bit.

Andi 17:42

I knew I had to throw in someone else that Sups really likes. Mm-hmm. Because then he would second guess himself.

Tanner 17:48

Oh my

Andi 17:49

Yeah. Happy that. But it was, it's also hard to like line these two lists up because like the winners of Records of the Year and the songs on the hot 100. Mm-hmm. They don't overlap as much as you might think.

Sups 18:01

Yeah.

Tanner 18:01

But you perfectly, like, strategized and customized it for

Andi 18:05

And I, And I, knew you didn't know Bette Davis Eyes, and I knew you would pick that one simply because that's the white man confidence. He's like, I don't know it, so it

Tanner 18:13

know it, so

Sups 18:15

Trust me next time, America.

Andi 18:17

So yeah, it didn't win any of those awards I said. Those were the three it was nominated for. Record of the Year, Song of the Year, and Best Pop Performance. So Record went to Mrs. Robinson.

Sups 18:27

Robinson

Andi 18:28

And Song went to a song

Sups 18:29

called Little Green Apples.

Tanner 18:31

Never heard of it. I don't believe it.

Andi 18:32

Bobby Russell and O. C. Smith.

Sups 18:34

and who won the album of the year in 1969?

Andi 18:38

Glenn Campbell, By the Time I Get to Phoenix.

Sups 18:41

Okay,

Tanner 18:42

Yeah, right. Never heard of this.

Sups 18:43

Yes, exactly that. That's the one that I was thinking. Yeah. I mean,

Tanner 18:47

Exactly, that's the one I was

Sups 18:48

Yeah, yeah. amazing.

Tanner 18:49

Well,

Andi 18:50

I should have known

Sups 18:50

known I should

Tanner 18:51

have known.

Andi 18:52

I should have known. Thanks for listening to this episode of I Should Have Known. if you are listening on YouTube, please do all the YouTube y things, like, subscribe, comment, let us know if you knew about the famous Hey Jude snub Or any other famous snubs. There are quite a few interesting ones. If you're listening on a traditional podcast platform, please give us a review, and on some of them you can also comment, so same question to you. And if you would like to help us out, support the Patreon.

Sups 19:20

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Tanner 19:22

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Andi 19:22

Where you can give a monthly donation and you get fun bonus stuff. We have some behind the scenes if you want to know more about how we make the show. All the links and everything you need are in the show notes We're going to be finishing up music next week with Tanner as our quiz master. And he's going to be doing a find the fake on weird bands. So should be interesting. And as always,

Tanner 19:44

be interesting.

Andi 19:45

for listening!

Tanner 19:45

as

Sups 19:47

Space Jam didn't win any Grammys, did it?